Stupid Americans

"PS9" (PS9) 12/06/2014 at 11:36 • Filed to: Front Page Stories

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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! like oil is as cheap as it will ever get. Why can't you be more like europe? Why do you always have to do things the hard way, burger?

Why can't you make cars that value power as well as efficiency? Don't you know the common man can't afford to swing $50k at something as trivially useless as a 700HP supercoupe? What's in it for the working class?

Why can't you make cars that are as awesome at laguna seca as they are at the 1/4 mile? Why does it always have to be about straight-line speed and power? it's a shame you don't do any specific track tuning at that nur-ring-thingy they got in Germoney, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

Nope, it's always more power, more power, more power, MOAR POWER. That's all that counts. Nevermind carbon-ceramic brakes, magneto shocks, lightweight NA engines and aerodynamic drag tuning, none of that stuff matters at all to you. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

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Why can't you be more innovative, and consider technologies that weren't relevant in the car market just a few decades ago? Why can't you build us a sleek and beautiful sedan from the future that uses no gasoline and suffers no range anxiety? Guess we'll have to wait for Japan to cover that hole in the market....

and don't even get me started on America's terrible record with supercars. !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! Nope. Never. Damnit america, the automotive landscape would be so much better and more competitive if your cars were as awesome as the ones pictured in this article. Err...wait a minute...

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:39

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The problem isn't what kind of cars Americans build. It's what kind of cars they buy as DDs. And I agree with the commenter that a Hellcat Ram would be dick waving at this point. It won't be fast and it certainly won't be practical.

Nisman > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:40

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This needs to be on the front page. I love it!

 > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:43

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Now if only those cars didn't cost an arm and a leg.

EL_ULY > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:44

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Because Racecar whooooo!

Bentley uses a push rod V8 currently ya know. We can innovative things if we want to. 2.2L V6 up to 700hp in Indycars without the crazy budget of F1 or ERS. The tech is here. Z06 is pretty much un beatable until you go to hypercar status. Also, have you been to Whataburger? It will put hair on your pubes! from how good it is. Lol that's right, double hair! :]

lol best pictures ever! PS9=rockstar!

PS9 >  12/06/2014 at 11:44

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Hey, the FiST only costs a finger at most!

spanfucker retire bitch > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:45

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K-Roll-PorscheTamer > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:47

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Because 'MURICA DAMMIT! Why should we be the same as Europe? I like being different, thank you.

We don't conform to what everyone else does! Even if it puts us on their "level" we make our or kind of fun, deal with it m8!

Euro cars are fun as hell, and some 'Murican cars are becoming more "Euro", the Vette, Mustang for example. It's alright to have some Euro influences, but not a complete redesign to be European, hell no.

duurtlang > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:49

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I don't really understand why people get so butthurt after one ranting individual. Why not just shrug and move on?

 > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:50

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But it's also the least American of them all.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 11:51

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I will side with YOU on this forever sir.

'MURICA

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > duurtlang 12/06/2014 at 11:53

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It's more to create conversation I think, not genuine irritation.

EL_ULY > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 12/06/2014 at 11:55

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I see the Vette and Mustang becoming more American not European :]

djmt1 > PS9 12/06/2014 at 11:56

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Someone is bitter but if you gonna be bitter do it to this standard as this is pretty brilliant.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 12:00

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The Mustang is definitively becoming more European (one of the rare occasions where I'll use the continental demonym instead of specifying, since well, I just can't).

Milky >  12/06/2014 at 12:04

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For what they offer, all of them are relatively cheap.

PS9 > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/06/2014 at 12:05

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Yeah, there's definitely a problem with america's choice as the best selling DD in the market, but that was more Japan's doing than it was ours.

I will agree that a 700HP ram is dick wavery, with the caviat that DD a powerful anything involves dick wavery. Any amount of power that can take you beyond reasonable/legal speeds is unnecessary for driving everyday and buying such a powerful vehicle is a total waste of money and potential on the road. But so what? Building these vehicles achieves the dreams of those who work hard to see these vehicles made real, as well as those who've long wished for a hot wheels car they can drive since they were children. The more practical options on the market will still be there; they would not magically vanish at the appearance of a 700HP RAM. You're really going to tell me that these monstrosities from Europe are ok, but a Hellcat Ram isn't?

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > PS9 12/06/2014 at 12:07

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You're really going to tell me that these monstrosities from Europe are ok, but a Hellcat Ram isn't?

No.

EL_ULY > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/06/2014 at 12:07

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Because IRS? Lol I don't know why everyone is linking IRS being a exclusive Euro trait. Mustangs have had it on many production cars in the past. Even without it, last gen Boss 302 held its own very well. The problem is that are too many contradictions to any automotive debate. That's why i just walk away and let the kids battle it out lol. I've been turning wrenches for enough time to have zero bias. Whether working on a Euro, Japanese, or American car, to me, they are all bolts, nuts, parts, and fluids.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 12:09

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Not because of the IRS, it's the dimensions and even the design that make it feel a bit Euro.

EL_ULY > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 12/06/2014 at 12:11

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Lol, awesome picture. But I have no bias. I like all cars ya know. There are too many contradictions to any car debate. I'll just hang out in the side lines oppo'n on my phone while everyone is arguing :]

EL_ULY > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/06/2014 at 12:15

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Understandable. I see your angle. I just see it as more American overall. Even if it shrunk down or becomes mid engined lol :]

djmt1 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 12/06/2014 at 12:17

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In that case. The Americans can't build Supercars and when ever they do, we do most of the work. Discuss.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > djmt1 12/06/2014 at 12:21

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Well I'd take a Ford GT over a gallardo or 360 anyday.

djmt1 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 12/06/2014 at 12:24

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I'd buy an old Vanquish S and get it manual swapped.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/fir…

DoYouEvenShift > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 12:27

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You said it man. All cars still operate under the same priciples right. Laws of physics still apply regardless of the way your tires touch the ground.

The way I see it, what goes on in the US is a reflection of what's going on around the world. We landed on the Moon because of the help from German scientist. The Corvette is great because of some European engineers. I think the head engineers at Tesla are British if Im not mistaken. So people can't be mad at us without being mad at the rest of the world.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > djmt1 12/06/2014 at 12:29

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Thats a GT car though. Different thing altogether.

djmt1 > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 12/06/2014 at 12:31

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Was it though? The Vanquish was a bloody fast car let down by a shitty gearbox. I'm pretty sure it could keep up with the Ford.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > djmt1 12/06/2014 at 12:35

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I'd classify it as a GT myself and while the Aston is plenty fast enough I don't think a GT would have much trouble outrunning it.

Killing-Machine > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 12/06/2014 at 12:36

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I agree with what you said, but I also think/feel that the "middle class" salaries leave people with the option to buy only 1 car, they kind Of try to find a do it all car, both performance and room/ comfort. It seems easier and more reliable to put a bigger v6, v8 in a family car than a smaller high strung engine and allow people to make the best of it. Hell my wife wanted an sub for this car, so what did we end up? SRT8 grand cherokee, it is an SUV that was relatively affordable and can still be fun enough in a pinch. My friend's wife at least likes cars so he got a CTS v as the family car. My preference, a sedan that gets 35+ mpg and buy a fun car for the rest of the time, but not there at the moment.

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Killing-Machine 12/06/2014 at 12:38

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True, that's also due to the lack of a solid offer in some market segments in America.

1337HPMustang > PS9 12/06/2014 at 12:38

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EL_ULY > DoYouEvenShift 12/06/2014 at 12:42

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Even purity within. I work for a dealer group parts department. Aston, Lotus, Volvo, and Merc. Seems like the Czech Republic, Spain, Ireland, Mexico, Romania, Indonesia, Malta, Japan, and China are the most common places the individual parts are actually produced lol :]

DoYouEvenShift > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 13:01

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I love that they started putting these on new cars

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > PS9 12/06/2014 at 13:06

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It was "our" doing because while Japan was offering affordable, fun, reliable cars for three decades, US was producing crap and later declaring bankruptcy. Now Ford makes six good cars for a few years and people here scoff at working class families shelling out for a beige Camry?

EL_ULY > DoYouEvenShift 12/06/2014 at 13:08

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Lol yup. The only 100% I've seen was on LS600hL and another car I can't remember at the moment.

DoYouEvenShift > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 13:16

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Ha! Ive always wondered if such a thing exsisted.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 13:41

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One of the few good things about Florida(At least Northwest), is the abundance of Whataburger and Waffle House. If there were a Sheetz, I could honestly say I would never want to leave.

Frank Grimes > PS9 12/06/2014 at 13:49

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I believe these were beating on maseratis and ferraris pretty bad. I dont know what my point is. But I just like these cars.

EL_ULY > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/06/2014 at 13:50

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agreed and now hungry lol :]

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EL_ULY 12/06/2014 at 13:51

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I now want to drive to the closest Sheetz... If only that wasn't 10 hours away.

orcim > PS9 12/06/2014 at 17:03

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I'd argue it's not so much "stupid" as it reflects the overall culture (and thereby the market in which determines what sells.) I got problems with the culture, at times, but I can't say it's "stupid" to reflect it.

What I will agree with is anyone in the American way that argues there is no other way to do something, no other solutions, this is the best, etc. That's stupid because it's anti-survival. It doesn't allow for flex or adaptability or creativity to shine.. and that's un-American in my book. We didn't get to where we were because we didn't try new things, attempt amazing stunts, etc. I suppose it's another case study of getting to the top and then forgetting why you got there. I do see some of the car engineering going through that climb, plateau, oops oh fuck, small change, plateau, oops oh fuck...etc pattern in the last 30 years.

One of our family friends was a GM Delco R&D type. Some of the stuff he was working on sounded soo cool. I've not ever seen any of it, but it would have required large changes in the way things were done. I blame it on accounting... once you invest in capital equipment (like a manufacturing line), the resistance to change goes up exponentially as the investment goes up.

Flavien Vidal > PS9 12/06/2014 at 18:46

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The FoST and the FiST were not developped in the US and they are about as American as Hummer today.

PS9 > Flavien Vidal 12/06/2014 at 19:59

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Ok, if we're going to play that game;

Canadian

Mexican, Egyptian, Chinese, Pacific Islander, Russian, Indian and German

American

American

Chinese-American

jdrgoat - Ponticrack? > PS9 12/06/2014 at 21:45

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Canadian

Ahem. Let me indulge myself on this one a little more, because I like this (and I like this car). Built in Canada, engineered in Australia, penned by a designer of Korean heritage.

Flavien Vidal > PS9 12/06/2014 at 22:16

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American too.

The point is that a car has, I think, to be designed and engineered in the country to be said to come from said country... Where it's built, I don't really care. It's like saying the Sierra Cosworth is an american car, because it's a Ford...

PS9 > Flavien Vidal 12/07/2014 at 07:40

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The point is that a car has, I think, to be designed and engineered in the country to be said to come from said country...

That's a silly thing to ask for, giving the requirement to leverage global talent and infrastructure to produce a car today. Nobody thinks of the 5 series as anything other than a german luxury sedan, and it is that, no matter who BMW hired to design it, where they chose to develop it, who they hired to build it and what nation the factory ultimately resided in; those variables are not relevant to the fact that is being produced by a german organization with german ideals in mind.

The Miata is distinctly japanese, despite not being built in japan and being originally designed by non-japanese people. It is a product of a Japanese organization, who's values regarding sports cars (lightweight, low displacement small engines, a focus on handling over straight line speed) are still there, and will remain there no matter where on the globe Mazda chooses to build it.